It's official - Aussie coffee best in world.

Dry_bean.

For what it's worth, Aussie coffee proclaimed worlds best

http://www.traveller.com.au/australian-coffee-is-the-best-in-the-world-ginqk2

Note with interest that the term coffee snobs is being used frequently by the media nowadays, Andy must be laughing all the way to the bank. :stir

Brett H

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For what it's worth, Aussie coffee proclaimed worlds best http://www.traveller.com.au/australian-coffee-is-the-best-in-the-world-ginqk2 Note with interest that the term coffee snobs is being used frequently by the media nowadays, Andy must be laughing all the way to the bank. :stir

Yes, people ask me if I'm a snob and I of course reply: "no, the traditional meaning of snobbery is effectively a wanna-be!"  I am an enthusiast! I hope Andy of coffee-snobs is laughing all the way to the bank.  Anyone who works hard deserves no less.  I reckon DB you know as well as I that the rewards of the coffee business are not as fruitful as they could or should be.  All we need to do is look at the time stamp on some of the MyCuppa posts to realise how hard and long these guys work.

Dry_bean.

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I hope Andy of coffee-snobs is laughing all the way to the bank.  Anyone who works hard deserves no less.  I reckon DB you know as well as I that the rewards of the coffee business are not as fruitful as they could or should be.  All we need to do is look at the time stamp on some of the MyCuppa posts to realise how hard and long these guys work.

I suspect the boom years of the coffee/cafe scene in Oz are over, too many cafes, not enough customers, it's an up hill slog nowadays. Certainly not an industry I would consider investing in.

Brett H

I thought you were about to say it's all up hill song as some sort of Gloria Jeans reference.  :rofl:

askthecoffeeguy

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I thought you were about to say it's all up hill song as some sort of Gloria Jeans reference.  :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Although, to be fair - Wellington has much more consistent coffee than what Melbourne does IMHO...

LeroyC

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Although, to be fair - Wellington has much more consistent coffee than what Melbourne does IMHO...

Except for the awful $5 macchiato I got from Fuel at Wellington Airport.

FreshCoffee2

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I suspect the boom years of the coffee/cafe scene in Oz are over, too many cafes, not enough customers, it's an up hill slog nowadays. Certainly not an industry I would consider investing in.

In Australia / too many cafes / too many roasteries / too many experts / resulting in extremely fragmented market / causing "musical" client effect / diabolical competition and aggression between suppliers / training cafe clients that they can be very very demanding if they want to. Competition amongst roasters placing those willing to compromise their principles, in riskier and riskier business in terms of their profitability. And others willing to compete with that taking more and more risks with their profitability. Not a good spiral to hop into. Without doubt the biggest BS mill in the universe. A lot of trouble for a steady supply of work. The market is saturated, and older roasters have market share picked off by newer roasters so a redistribution of market rather than a big growth in the market. The "trust network" promoting new (inexperienced) roasters as hip and with it and as being worthy of your patronage, and older established (experienced) roasters as having "been around too long" and not worthy of your patronage..... whatever all that means.... possibly meaning that there is so much BS in the market that newcomers with little experience who are unable to offer their clients a full range of products and services, are more worthy of your patronage than experienced roasters that have a solid business model and offer a wide range of products and services, to support a lot of newby cafe owners that don't have any experience of their own and are prepared to believe advice from effectively anonymous forum junkies (bona fides unknown) in the "trust network" over advice from professional experienced traders....  Ergo the real reasons behind the bigger roasters all moving into the Asian and Philipine markets top grow their businesses. It used to be a happier business to be in although it was always hard work. Now its harder and harder work for shrinking profit margins due to saturation and its effects on competition. Good for cafe clients that want to take as much as they can get from suppliers who are busy fighting each other for the kilos. But aside from all that./...its all good  ! I can vouch for the fact that the Australian market uses a very high proportion of quality coffees however truth be known, a well made cuppa using well roasted FAQ quality beans, is going to be significantly better than a badly made cuppa using high quality beans. Not to mention that you can also badly roast good quality coffee beans. You will always be at the mercy of the individual behind the machine and his or her level of competence and understanding of good barista skills.  Ergo...the standard of training education and understanding of the barista. Lastly however lets not forget that these news stories are written by people that don't have the faintest what is actually going on in coffee industry and are usually just looking at writing a filler for the sunday rag (ie slow real news day), so what that means in terms of taking the news headline literally, I dont really know.

admin

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Lastly however lets not forget that these news stories are written by people that don't have the faintest what is actually going on in coffee industry and are usually just looking at writing a filler for the sunday rag (ie slow real news day), so what that means in terms of taking the news headline literally, I dont really know.

yes, let's remember this guy [Ben Groundwater] doesn't have any coffee credentials - seems to be a perennial traveller who's generalising based on his personal travel experiences …. "popped into a cafe in London and had a crap coffee ergo, coffee in the UK is crap" Like Attilio, I have travelled a lot in search of good coffee and try get a good sample of coffee based on doing initial research and then visiting a number of cafes in any given city - hence our Cafe Cities series in the magazine. Bottom line is I don't like to generalise, but will say I've found a good concentration of great cafes in the (North) West Coast of the US [Seattle, Portland in particular] and an increasing number in NY City. Haven't been there for a few years, but the London specialty coffee scene is booming, while Amsterdam is just starting to go places. Paris is still [generally] awful, with just a few new world exceptions… other than that (at the risk of generalising) I do think the overall standard of coffee in Aust and NZ is amongst the highest in the world