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Carbon, what is the real truth???

LacehimLacehim
edited January 1970 in Off-topic
Not that I want to get into the politics of all this carbon tax stuff, but I was wondering what fellow crema members thoughts are about the whole environment thing, are we doomed, or are we just being subjected to media hype?  With the governments carbon tax in the news I haven't once seen anyone discuss why we are taxing carbon (ie whats the proof it will do any good), or what the money from the tax will be spend on?  :o

I've watched Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" and "The Great Global Warming Swindle".

Personally I think it's all media hype, a serious lack of facts.  I really enjoyed The Great Global Warming Swindle, and in my mind it paints a more reasonable picture about global warming.  We (as humans) have only been around for a short part of the earths lifetime, a speck really.  Why do we think that everything revolves around us?

I personally think it's more to do with getting us to use less fuel and then uping the price so that we pay more for it.  Marketing products to make us feel good about using power and driving to the shops etc etc.

Also loved the The Great Global Warming Swindle's comments about the human body being made up of Carbon (from a website it said about 18%).  I wonder how much carbon tax a new baby will cost???  ;D

I would really like to see us take better care of the environment, stop polluting our seas with sewerage and rubbish, and thinking that sticking our rubbish in a hole will solve the problem because we can't see it.  Why we need to all be running in fear of carbon because someone told us too is beyond me.  Where is the real proof?
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  • Koffee_KosmoKoffee_Kosmo
    Living cleaner and greener results in a tangible outcome Less pollution should be our focus KK
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  • texxtexx
    i read some thing quite a while ago cant remember where , but it was written by an archeologist/geologist  and he said it is written in the rocks and can not be disputed . many thousands of years ago there was more carbon and ash and pollution in the air than we have ever had since we started walking upright and the end  result was a cooling of the planet hence the ice age . the ice age was only 11,500 years ago a blink in time really and we are still very very slowly warming up from that .
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  • LacehimLacehim
    I agree KK, I think we as humans should be looking after the planet, but I really don't understand this focus on carbon.  Surely there are plenty other things to concern us?  Animal extinction, pollution of our water ways, our lack of recycling our waste etc etc.  I could go on ages. Texx, The Great Global Warming Swindle movie I watch went along the same lines, they discussed the fact that as you said, the opposite to what the media are reporting happens.  So basically more carbon = lower temps.  The oceans play a big part in carbon emissions too. Out of the two, I think the The Great Global Warming Swindle had a better scientific basis, where as An inconvenient truth was really more of a scaremongering movie to make me live in fear of switching the power on.  The Americans love fear in the media.  Probably why they all have guns!
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  • DoubleRistrettoDoubleRistretto
    on 1309176269:
    I agree KK, I think we as humans should be looking after the planet, but I really don't understand this focus on carbon.  Surely there are plenty other things to concern us?  Animal extinction, pollution of our water ways, our lack of recycling our waste etc etc.  I could go on ages. Texx, The Great Global Warming Swindle movie I watch went along the same lines, they discussed the fact that as you said, the opposite to what the media are reporting happens.   So basically more carbon = lower temps.  The oceans play a big part in carbon emissions too. Out of the two, I think the The Great Global Warming Swindle had a better scientific basis, where as An inconvenient truth was really more of a scaremongering movie to make me live in fear of switching the power on.  The Americans love fear in the media.  Probably why they all have guns!
    sounds like someone's been listening a bit much to the 'mad monk' [Abbott not Monkton :)] it's pretty hard to defend something like the carbon tax, where the proof is growing slowly [& will be proven over time] but easy to come out and attack on with simple catch-cries like 'no new taxes' blah, blah, blah
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  • shape_shiftershape_shifter
    lacehim, we are with you 100% on what you've said :) "Carbon forms the backbone of biology for all of life on Earth", what an inconvenient truth that one is! How about they start talking about Carbon Dioxide and stop talking about something that is the fourth most abundant element in the universe (by mass). Then again without CO2 how are the plants and trees going to survive to be able to produce something we as living things need for our existence.
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  • adminadmin
    hi guys - I think we need to appreciate that there are probably going to be opposing views on this, and I love a good argument as much as anyone, but we do need to remember our rules ['no politics or religion'] so I'll have to ask if we can keep the discussion to carbon dioxide as it relates to the coffee-making process here please... A 8)
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  • beanflyingbeanflying
    on 1309233725:
    hi guys - I think we need to appreciate that there are probably going to be opposing views on this, and I love a good argument as much as anyone, but we do need to remember our rules ['no politics or religion'] so I'll have to ask if we can keep the discussion to carbon dioxide as it relates to the coffee-making process here please... A 8)
    So we need a good debate on bean degassing then rather than enviroment. I am with A on this as it is a very polarizing debate best to keep nice and  tread lightly on the earth where possible  :)
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