Isomac maverick

C-man · July 2012

This one never even got a bid, when older Gaggia's were going for $200+ pretty stupid when new ones are only $349

Anyway I think I can get it for a good price, it is a 2009 purchased from mew.

just can't find any information on it. I think it may not have a 3-way solenoid or something like that.

you guys would know...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=170880609768&nma=true&rt=nc&si=eC5goJ2h4dKxjyWlelSC1%2FTioGk%3D&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Lacehim · July 2012

150ml brass boiler, no 3 way solenoid valve, 1000w element? stainless frame adjustable height drip tray is about the only pro!

derrilex · July 2012

Mmmmm nice extraction in the photos. Or is it tea :D

C-man · July 2012

I think it is 220ml boiler what does the 3-way solenoid valve do anyway?

Jetblack Espresso · July 2012

don't get a machine without a 3 way solenoid. it relieves the brew pressure at the end of the extraction. charlie

C-man · July 2012

skip to the end and there is a better shot

C-man · July 2012

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don't get a machine without a 3 way solenoid. it relieves the brew pressure at the end of the extraction. charlie

then why would they make one with out it?

C-man · July 2012

so it is a piece of shit then?

Lacehim · July 2012

C-man, you still haven't answered my question on the other thread. What do you want from a machine? Are you still focused on steam only? Or are you wanting a good machine to brew coffee and steam? Posting up "is this machine ok" posts isn't really going achieve much if we don't know what your needs/wants are. If you know what I mean.

FreshCoffee2 · July 2012

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C-man, you still haven't answered my question on the other thread. What do you want from a machine?......................Posting up "is this machine ok" posts isn't really going achieve much if we don't know what your needs/wants are. If you know what I mean.

Eggzackary. Suggest first, what is the budget? Buying cheap is not a reason for buying something or anything, just forthe sake of buying it.....eg used isomac maverick at $249.00.....if you can spare $999, looking at $249 is the wrong way of going about it. What is your budget, and what do you want? If you are not sure what you want and it is these forums that are confusing you with the "wind up" factor that is common in them, dont do anything yet. Wait until you have worked out what you want and how much money you have. For Example: If you have a budget of up to 2 thou for a machine only, you would be mad to walk past one of our new BFC Diadema Junior PUL models that are still at end of fin year stock take sale price (they're HX and E61). Fantastic machines and very forgiving of new owners for a commercial quality brew. It doesnt get any better than that. Forget buying more technical machines that would have been more exi at new price even if you can get them in this price bracket second hand, because after all's said and done and you have allowed yourself to be wound up in the forums with the promise of their bells and whistles, they wont do anything for you that this baby wont do especially for a new and inexperienced owner that needs to learn the ropes. And you will get a new machine guarantee. If you have 1 thou, you are looking at new silvia /lelit type machines OR, lower end older HX machines at used machine price. Some of them are gems, others arent so be careful wrt used machine condition and age. If you have less than that, I would stop all this nonsence and save a bit more, or you will not reap the benefit of looking at better equipment than you have found at this time. It may sound harsh, but it may stop you from making a costly (no matter how cheap it was ) mistake. Hope that helps

C-man · July 2012

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C-man, you still haven't answered my question on the other thread. What do you want from a machine? Are you still focused on steam only? Or are you wanting a good machine to brew coffee and steam? Posting up "is this machine ok" posts isn't really going achieve much if we don't know what your needs/wants are. If you know what I mean.

to answer the question, the little machine I use now for the milk is about to die, so I will need to buy something for the milk anyway, any milk steamer worthy will be at least $100 because we like nice milk. so I thought for $200-300 I could get a second hand machine that will steam milk and also pull a decent shots and save the Presso for travel. Like suggested a entry level machine like the Gaggia clasic with a silvia wand or the maverick or maybe a Silvia unless someone can suggest something else. the trouble is when I start looking at entry level machines I quickly get E61 envy.

FreshCoffee2 · July 2012

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..............so I thought for $200-300 I could get a second hand machine that will steam milk and also pull a decent shots and save the Presso for travel..........Like suggested a entry level machine like the Gaggia clasic with a silvia wand or the maverick or maybe a Silvia unless someone can suggest something else. the trouble is when I start looking at entry level machines I quickly get E61 envy.

You wont get "decent" shots out of something that costs 2 to 3 bills, if by "decent" you mean all the intangible stuff that people talk about in these forums including so called god shots etc.......what are your expectations? (of a decent shot"). Or you might occasionally get one ( a decent shot), but have to constantly contend with the result of having bought a bottom end machine...... (Quote AM above: "...No not at all... They are not shit....What they require is special attention and most people today, can't manage that...." End of quote. and wrt "E61 Envy" I ask again, what is your budget? You could be pleasantly surprised if you are willing to extend yourself a bit (and call us). I like to see people getting into good equipment that they will get a great deal of satisfaction from long term, and I hate seeing people waste their money short term and have to buy again. These forums can be responsible for both........Buy once and buy right, its cheaper

C-man · July 2012

C-man · July 2012

seriously any of these shots! look haw jacked he gets at the end.

derrilex · July 2012

C-man, for $ 5 - 600 you could find yourself a old BZ99. I cant think of a better machine bang for buck 2nd hand. It would be pretty old for that money but age shall not weary them :D

Koffee_Kosmo · July 2012

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C-man, for $ 5 - 600 you could find yourself a old BZ99. I cant think of a better machine bang for buck 2nd hand. It would be pretty old for that money but age shall not weary them :D

And sponsor Barazi has used ones with warrantee KK

derrilex · July 2012

Good point KK :thumb:

Kelsey · July 2012

Anything without a way to relieve pressure at the grouphead (i.e. 3-way solenoid) limits your ability to make good coffee. I started on one of this type of machine, with a Sunbeam EM3800. You quickly find yourself in a catch-22 situation with these things. They're designed for pressurised baskets and pre-ground stale supermarket coffee. I got my grinder first and an unpressurised basket to go with it - and immediately blew the portafilter off in what is known as the 'portafilter sneeze'. With no 3-way solenoid, the pressure has nowhere to go and the end result of too fine a grind is hot coffee grinds embedded into every nook and cranny of your kitchen with explosive force. The machine was never the same - wound up buckling the chassis a little. Nevertheless I struggled on and could get a somewhat passable brew, but it was always a tightrope. To coarse and it was terrible, too fine and it was decent but had fines in the cup, finer still and BOOM! At the end of the day, there's only so much you can get out of these machines because they're simply not designed for what people on this forum are trying to achieve. That's not to say they don't have a market - they absolutely do. It's just not with us. There is also a BZ99 on eBay right now. I can attest to the quality of these machines.

Brett H · July 2012

I'd be calling and visiting a retailer C-Man. Turn off the computer, go play with some machines and drink their coffee. eBay is great for the battle hardened and the experienced. If on the other hand you just want a coffee reliably... :coffee2:

Jetblack Espresso · July 2012

and an alternative to ebay: http://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/shop/ac/second-hand-coffee-machines/ but only if you prefer pre and post sales service

charlie

Kelsey · July 2012

That's a great option too c-man! I've dropped by Jetblack in Sydney and they couldn't be a nicer bunch.

FreshCoffee2 · July 2012

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.............look haw jacked he gets at the end........

I see you have been watching the kind of "wind you up" internet that doesnt represent true life

You certainly wont get any of those results from 249 dollar machines, also beware of pretentious stuff like the "wow, unbelievable body.....". Well yeah, when you make a single eXpresso portion with a "triple shot" 21 gram filter, it goes without saying you will get a lot of body, even if it is indistinct and muddy..... Beware used machines on the bay of weevils whether they be BZ 99's or other, lest you are an espresso machine tech and wanted a project to work on instead of a cup of coffee, and if you were looking at used gear, Charlies advice re pre and post sales service was spot on. I see a lot of people giving advice here, but not much cooperative effort in return so far, so I am not sure you have actually worked out what you really want yet which leaves us all hanging............. Hope that helps.

UNM · August 2012

and just to confuse you even more. I have to disagree with fresh-coffee. My gaggia classic makes great shots reliably and consistently. It has PID temp control and a rancilio steam wand and cost me under $100 all up including mods. Thing is, to go that route you have to be confident tinkering and willing to take risks. The gaggia has many good features (3 way valve and brass group head among them) but steaming milk for more than two is a struggle. a good start is visit a reputable retailer and have a chat with them. Their opinions may be different to mine and to yours but will certainly give you somethings to think about and possibly eliminate a few unsuitable options.

C-man · August 2012

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I see you have been watching the kind of "wind you up" internet that doesnt represent true life You certainly wont get any of those results from 249 dollar machines, also beware of pretentious stuff like the "wow, unbelievable body.....". Well yeah, when you make a single eXpresso portion with a "triple shot" 21 gram filter, it goes without saying you will get a lot of body, even if it is indistinct and muddy..... Beware used machines on the bay of weevils whether they be BZ 99's or other, lest you are an espresso machine tech and wanted a project to work on instead of a cup of coffee, and if you were looking at used gear, Charlies advice re pre and post sales service was spot on. I see a lot of people giving advice here, but not much cooperative effort in return so far, so I am not sure you have actually worked out what you really want yet which leaves us all hanging............. Hope that helps.

I have been behind the counter in 3 of the 4 roasters up here making friends and talking with the owners, watching and tasting shots while they were helping me, Even with big Robour ( Clandistino has 3 ) grinders and commercial machines the shots were good but nothing great. I think the so called "god shots" are just a myth I love things of beauty and would enjoy a great machine but I just don't have the coin. I still say there is no such thing as great coffee, just a great cup!

C-man · August 2012

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and just to confuse you even more. In have to disagree with fresh-coffee. My gaggia classic makes great shots reliably and consistently. It has PID temp control and a rancilio steam wand and cost me under $100 all up including mods. Thing is, to go that route you have to be confident tinkering and willing to take risks. The gaggia has many good features (3 way valve and brass group head among them) but steaming milk for more than two is a struggle. a good start is visit a reputable retailer and have a chat with them. Their opinions may be different to mine and to yours but will certainly give you somethings to think about and possibly eliminate a few unsuitable options.

this was my orig. thinking, there is only 2 of us and I don't mind doing a few mods, did you re-set the pressure? I have seen brand new Classics for $349.00 on the bay.

march83 · August 2012

the classic with pid, silvia wand and a tuned opv is a pretty capable machine (i owned one for about 6 years), but i have to concede that despite all of this extra tuning the espresso is noticeably poorer than what comes out of my both my bfc junior levetta and my ponte vecchio lusso. whether the bfc or pvl are that much better to justify the price difference is up to the drinker.

Kelsey · August 2012

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I have been behind the counter in 3 of the 4 roasters up here making friends and talking with the owners, watching and tasting shots while they were helping me, Even with big Robour ( Clandistino has 3 ) grinders and commercial machines the shots were good but nothing great. I think the so called "god shots" are just a myth I love things of beauty and would enjoy a great machine but I just don't have the coin. I still say there is no such thing as great coffee, just a great cup!

I'd have to point out that 'god shots' aren't the myth - you just haven't found a brewer that suits your palate yet. There times when I bust out what I would consider to be a godshot every second shot for weeks at a time. Then there are times when I'm lucky to get one in a multi-week period. And then there's the unalterable fact that what is a godshot for me is simple a good coffee for you - and vice versa. We all like what we like - what others like is immaterial. There is no single definitive god shot - only YOUR god shot.

FreshCoffee2 · August 2012

I have no problem with people disagreeing with me especially when they know their stuff, and you blokes have rightly mentioned that there are still shortcomings after the tinkering with and "upgrading" of, low end machines. One thing that hasnt been mentioned outright is that low end equipment is simply harder / more fiddly to use.....I cant begin to tell you how many of my clients have come back to mention (following the purchase of a small HX machine) how much easier they are to use / get consistent results from, than the smaller domestic machines they learned on and upgraded from. In any case that isn't an issue any more as it seems we have finally hit upon the budget... Attilio very first Crema site sponsor.

derrilex · August 2012

Totally agree Attilio. As soon as I pissed the 6910 off and all of its whacky variables ( of which I was one I might add) and got the BZ99, I noticed how much easier it was to achieve consistency. A few tricks to learn re cooling flushes but once a routine is set the machine is so predictable. It just does its thing, every time. Its so good to not have machine variables thrown into the equation

Brett H · August 2012

I can also vouch for Cosmorex pre and post sale service. As a Brisbane-based customer I received customer service above and beyond my highest expectations. Don't let distance stop you from buying your dream machine once, rather than 5 nightmares along the journey.

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