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yeah, I think all you guys like the MM Is that the one with the real "buttery" taste?
Everyone describes it differently. Some say it just tastes like an unwiped bottom, others would call it buttery, yes. Very high oil, and a bit funky (I like it. (The bean that is, not unwiped bottom).
You guys are crazy. or full of beans! so name a good stand-out SO that cuts through milk.
Not picking on you C-Man, but again I see an example of the term "cut through milk". If there is ever a term that is over-used and in many cases mis-used, it has to be that old chessnut saying "cut through milk". Generally, people see it mentioned and they think it's the way to describe what they want in a coffee. But really folks - what does it actually mean ? Is it a flavor that does not get lost when milk is added ? Is it a body that shows through with milk ? Is it a sparkling, bright, well-balanced acid level that mixes nicely to produce a refreshing, enjoyable milk-based espresso ? Applying the term "cut through milk" is misleading without more descriptors. Is it strong, chocolate, caramel, malt, nutty, fruity, winey, citric......most people just want a rich, smooth, creamy, sweet coffee with a lingering finish. Now how does that match "cut through milk" ?. People use it to sound knowledgeable and experienced (please, I'm not meaning to offend or insult anyone) and one person's thought of a cut through milk surely cannot and will not match another person's own individual preferences. As a roaster - it means absolutely nothing to me and when I get people calling up asking for a great coffee that cuts through milk......I need to count to 10 before responding. When it comes to single origins, saying bean X will cut through milk better than bean Y is really quite misleading. It depends upon the bean varietal, processing (read quality), roast profile and last but by no means least, the ability of the person brewing and extracting. I can take just about any arabica and make it cut through milk - damn it, now I'm unable to stop saying it. :head:
that last post has me thinking. I am more interested in the obverse (or is it converse?). I look for beans that provide a well balanced cup just as coffee. i.e. don't taste shite as a short/long black. When I see the description 'cuts through milk', I avoid those beans. I can roast and brew all the green beans in my stash myself to meet this requirement, but most cafes seem to find it hard to deliver a pleasant cup of coffee unless it is as a coffee flavoured milk beverage. Many commercial roasts, while consistent, are just consistently shite as straight coffee.:stir Catering to the market I guess. I do have to say though that I was surprised at the quality of coffee I had in Sydney recently, most was excellent , including the filter roasted el limoncillo I bought for home consumption. I think many people use 'cuts through milk' as an alternative to 'high in acid'
The stash is getting smaller :coffee2: eventually I'll be able to go out and buy some more ;D Thinking about some Brazilian coffees (haven't tried them before), any suggestions? Australian MTC D10-107 Honey 2000 Australian Mountain Top Estate Ray's Selection #789 1500 Costa Rica Tarrazu SHB 1250 El Salvador Chaparrastique 1000 Ethiopia Gambella Naturals 500 Ethiopia Ghimbi 2500 Ethiopia Guna Limmu 4500 Ethiopia Harrar Longberry 2010 5000 Ethiopian Harrar Star Double Sort 1750 Ethiopia Sidamo Gudji 2500 Haiti Grand Cru 3000 Hawaii Kona Extra Fancy 750 India Monsoon Malabar AA 750 India Mysore Nuggets Extra Bold 500 Jamaica Blue Mountain 1000 Java Ijen Sundried 1750 Laos Dong Hua Sao 2500 Malawi Nyika AA 250 Malawi Nyika Peaberry 4250 Nepal Plantec Estate 4000 Nicaragua Cup Of Excellence La Bendicion Lot #13 2010 1500 PNG Kone Ka 2500 PNG Wahgi AA 1250 PNG Wahgi Peaberry 1000 Rwanda Ndera A Grade 750 Sulawesi Rante Kapua Torajah 2500 Sulawesi Toarco Jaya 3750 Sumatra Mandheling 2009 750 Uganda Masaba AA 6000 Yemen Al-Hajj Boa'an 4250 Yemen Bani Ismail 9000 Yemen Sanai Mocha 6000 Zambia Terranova Estate Unwashed Natural 750 Total 81.25kg
Some "stash" Ash :exclaim: Out of curiosity; how long have you had the "oldest" beans :question: I have some that arrived in Sept 2010. I know it depends on how you store them , but I prefer not to let them become too aged. :coffee:
Yeah, I went a bit crazy buying beans a couple of years ago. The oldest beans are just starting to get to the three year old mark. The Sumatra Mandheling has changed flavour slightly, but not to drastically. Hopefully I'll be under 50kg of green by the time the end of the year comes around. When I get the stash back down below 40kgs I'll start thinking about buying some more.
Since on hols, I thought it was time to do an audit...... I was at one stage over 50kg and now have it just under 35kg (discounting the roasted Hons COE and the truck load from the CCR session). Here she is & happy to take any blend suggestions! Peru Ceja de Selva Estate 0.25 PNG Wahgi AA 1.55 Colombian Volcan Galeras Supremo 1.8 Tanzania Uru Estate 1.8 Yemen Mocha Sanaani 1.3 Ethiopian Yirgacheffe Special Prep 0 India Monsoon Malabar Gold 1.9 Kenyan Gethumbwini Estate Peaberry 0.4 El Salvador Finca El Carmen 1.1 Costa Rica - Iterbazu Estate 0.34 El Salvador Antonieta Estate 'Avalon' Maragogype 0 PNG Kimel Peaberry 1.2 Ethiopian Sidamo Haile Selassie - Gr 3 Naturals 1 Indonesian Sumatran Gayo Speciality 0 Indonesian Sumatran Mandheling - Blue Batak 0 Brazil Daterra Estate - Sweet Collection 0.75 Guatemala Huehuetenango 1.4 Rwanda Cyarumbo 1.9 Indian Elephant Hills A Grade 1.3 Guatemala La Esperanza - Honey Processed 1.5 Honduras El Filo Cup of Excellence 1.2 Colombian Decaf 1 Sumantran Lington 0 Sumatran Kuda Mas 1.7 Indonesian Mandheling FTO - ASKOGO Cooperative 2 Ethiopia Guji Sidamo OCR - Natural Special Preparation 1.2 Colombian Bachue Supremo 0.9 Guatemala - Cup of Excellence Lot 28 Capetillo y Anexos 1.8 Tanzania Blackburn Estate - Clouds of August 1.8 Brazil Yellow Bourbon Especial Reserve 2.3 Nicaragua Matagalpa Diamond Microlot 1.3
My latest inventory:-- :thumb: 7.4kg Harrar Longberry 1.4kg Tanzanian Uru Estate 1.2kg Tanzanian Kyaurundi 4.5kg PNG Waghi 5.5kg Sumatran Kuda Mas 4.3kg Sidamo Guji OCR natural 1.0 kg Yirgacheffe OCR Natural Chelba .6kg Kenyan Mihutu 3.4kg Indian Monsoon Robusta 7.5kg Brazil Monte Allegre 4.5kg Peru Ceja de Selva 5.4kg Panama Bouguette de Eleta .4kg Rwanda Musasa .7kg El Salvador finca El Carmen 5.1kg Yeman Sanani Mocha 2.2kg Ethiopian Limmu 1.2kg Yirgachef Special Prep. If the stash gets below the 50kg mark I start to get very edgy and feel the compulsion to jump online and peruse what's on offer.................... :-* ;D
Jonty - how about equal parts of your Yirg special prep and Blue Batak - should be light and with negligible mouth feel. :rofl: Anyway, here is my stash - I haven't listed all the beans I don't have just to keep it short :stir columbia supremo decaf 300 Harrar 1000 Harfusa 200 Malawi Nyika AA 300 Uganda Okoro 300 Costa Rica San Isidro 240 Sulawesi Bukit Maranti 400 Java Ijen Sundried 400 Guatemala Los Volcanes Antigua 280 Tanzania Tec 300 Columbia La Union Excelso 200 PNG Highlands AA 1700 PNG Robusta washed 650 Nicaragua Finca San Ramon Maragogype 950 Elk Hill Arabica 850 PNG Kimmel Peaberry 750 Zambia terranova A/X 750 total 8070 gram
Rough amounts but latest status: columbia supremo decaf 300 Monsoon Malabar 1000 Harrar 1000 Harfusa 200 Uganda Okoro 300 Sulawesi Bukit Maranti 200 Guatemala Los Volcanes Antigua 50 Columbia La Union Excelso 50 PNG Highlands AA 1000 PNG Robusta washed 450 Nicaragua Finca San Ramon Maragogype 750 Elk Hill Arabica 600 PNG Kimmel Peaberry 200 Zambia terranova A/X 500 Indian Attican Estate Cauvery Sundried 1000 Costa Rica Jaguar 1000 Brazil Dulce Ipanema 1500 Sumatra Kuda Mas 1000 total 9600 (grams that is, not kilos)
I only started roasting at the end of September last year so by no means an expert, but here's my current inventory: Blend - Cascadia Fair Trade Organic Decaf GBB-DB 0.65 Blend - GB-D1 0.65 Bolivia Juana Mamani Organic Specialty 0.50 Brazil Bob-o-link 0.70 Brazil Capim Branco Specialty 0.15 Brazil Cerrado Alto Camelo 0.30 Brazil Coral SSFC 2011/2012 1.53 Brazil Joao de Campos 4.39 Brazil Moreninha Formosa 2012 3.00 Brazil Samambaia Specialty 1.00 Colombia Excelso 2.88 Costa Rica La Minita Tarrazu Specialty 0.65 Costa Rica SHB 0.20 El Salvador San Emilio 1.00 Ethiopia Harar Fair Trade Organic 2.00 Ethiopia Limu Hawisa Specialty 0.90 Ethiopia Yirgacheffe (Wote) Natural Process Specialty 0.50 Ethiopia Yirgacheffe Fair Trade Organic 1.00 Ethiopia Yirgacheffe Trabocca FTO Specialty 1.00 Guatemala Coban Fair Trade Organic 1.20 Guatemala Huehuetenango Fair Trade Organic 1.79 Honduras 1.00 India Kalledevarapura PL B 1.00 India Mysore A 0.91 Java Arabica Grade 1 2.00 Java Robusta Grade 1 0.50 Kenya AB 0.97 Kenya Gatunyu AA Specialty 0.50 Kenya Mukangu AB Specialty 0.30 Mexico Chiapas Fair Trade Organic 2.09 Mt Raung Java 1.28 Nicaragua La Florencia 1.65 Nicaragua Monteverde Fair Trade Organic Specialty 1.00 Nicaragua San Jose Caturra 0.40 Peru Norte Fair Trade Organic 1.00 Peru Organic 2.40 PNG Sigri A 2.31 Rwanda Buf Specialty 0.50 Rwanda Musasa Specialty 0.30 Sumatra Dolok Organic 2.00 Sumatra Dolok Organic - GCM 2012 0.34 Uganda Gumutindo Fair Trade Organic 1.00 On the way are: Yemen Sanani Mocca 3.00 Indian Monsoon Malabar AA 2.00 -Slight hiccup with MAF on those two, have to have them gassed to kill some livestock...
Welcome WA! ??? That's what you've accumulated since September ???
Thanks for the welcome Brett! Yeah, might've gotten a little carried away... I do like to keep my options open . Actually it can be a little counter productive at times, I can spend more time trying to decide what to roast than actually roasting :-| .
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I can't wait to see some of your blends :thumb:
I'll be sure to share when I think I have something worthy. Still mainly working on identifying what works for me and what doesn't, so I expect (hope :angel:?) that the number of individual coffees will diminish slightly over time.
Well it was time to do it and I was surprised considering some big orders on Wahana and Esmeralda in there! So 30 coffees from 14 countries and shy in at 39.95kg or there abouts! PNG Wahgi AA 1.55 Colombian Volcan Galeras Supremo 1 Tanzania Uru Estate 0.8 Yemen Mocha Sanaani 1.3 India Monsoon Malabar Gold 1 Kenyan Gethumbwini Estate Peaberry 0.2 El Salvador Finca El Carmen 0.9 PNG Kimel Peaberry 0.7 Brazil Daterra Estate - Sweet Collection 0.75 Guatemala Huehuetenango 1 Rwanda Cyarumbo 1 Indian Elephant Hills A Grade 1 Guatemala La Esperanza - Honey Processed 1.5 Colombian Decaf 1 Sumatran Kuda Mas 1.35 Indonesian Mandheling FTO - ASKOGO Cooperative 1.9 Ethiopia Guji Sidamo OCR - Natural Special Preparation 1 Colombian Bachue Supremo 0.6 Guatemala - Cup of Excellence Lot 28 Capetillo y Anexos 0.25 Tanzania Blackburn Estate - Clouds of August 1.6 Brazil Yellow Bourbon Especial Reserve 1.9 Nicaragua Matagalpa Diamond Microlot 1.25 Ethiopian Yirgacheffe Grade 2 Washed 1 Ethiopian Harrar Longberry 'Impala' Naturals 0.7 Panama Hacienda La Esmeralda - Palmyra 5.1 Indonesian Wahana Estate - Naturals 5 Indonesia Sulawesi Toraja - Kalosi 1 Indian Tiger Mountain A 2.5 Brazil Samambaia Bourbon 0.7 Rwanda Inzovu Co-Op 0.4
So I now have: Indian Attican Estate Cauvery Sundried 750 Costa Rica Jaguar 350 Brazil Dulce Ipanema 250 Sumatra Kuda Mas 300 India Attican estate cauvery sundried 750 guat Santa Clara 2750 El Salv Finca Alaska 2750 Rwanda Musasa 1000 Brazil Pedra Redonda 7000 PNG Highlands AA 500 PNG Robusta washed 450 Nicaragua Finca San Ramon Maragogype 500 Elk Hill Arabica 600 PNG Kimmel Peaberry 80 Zambia terranova A/X 500 Tanzania Tec 40 Sulawesi Bukit Maranti 135 Uganda Okoro 300 Harrar 750 columbia supremo decaf 100 Monsoon Malabar 1000 All in grams, rough figures.
You guys are crazy. or full of beans! so name a good stand-out SO that cuts through milk.
I might be a little late in replying to this post, but since I started roasting, I've been in a search for a SO that just would taste good with a latte and by itself in a short black. My partner loves her latte and I'm all for short blacks and I found: 1) Peru Ceja De Selva Estate [10 days rest time - pulled (quite close to but) before Second Crack] 2) Costa Rica Tarazzu [5-6 days rest time - similar roast level to the above] both are quite nice by itself and with latte's. If you do every try it, I'd be keen to know if it works for you.
Well I have been working hard at dropping numbers and looking back from Jan's audit I have reduced around 20kg in that time consider I brought 10kg from Coffeehorse (Redonda & Santa Clara). So the stash is weight in at just over 30kg and still room to move over the coming weeks to knock off a bag ends! El Salvador Finca El Carmen 0.2 Brazil Daterra Estate - Sweet Collection 0.2 Guatemala Huehuetenango 0.4 Guatemala La Esperanza - Honey Processed 1.2 Colombian Decaf 1 Indonesian Mandheling FTO - ASKOGO Cooperative 1 Tanzania Blackburn Estate - Clouds of August 0.5 Brazil Yellow Bourbon Especial Reserve 1.9 Nicaragua Matagalpa Diamond Microlot 1.25 Panama Hacienda La Esmeralda - Palmyra 4 Indonesian Wahana Estate - Naturals 4 Indonesia Sulawesi Toraja - Kalosi 0.7 Indian Tiger Mountain A 1.7 Brazil Samambaia Bourbon 0.7 Rwanda Musasa Cooperative 1 Finca El Injerto - Capadocia Caracol 0.2 Rwandan Cup of Excellence Lot 7 Buf Remera 1 Guatemala Finca Santa Clara 4.8 Brazil Pedra Redonda 4.7
Current Stash: 280g Indian Kaapi Royale Robusta 2kg Monsooned Malabar ~1.5kg of something undrinkable from Tanzania AND THAT IS IT :'(
Geez Richard, sparse as it looks, you can take heart in that apart from the problematical Tanzanian, it IS a quality stash. Maybe some Crema members can send you some "bag ends" to help you through these tough times! Gotta love that Monsoon tho! :coffee2:
Impressive lists out there! As an inverterate collector I see problems ahead! So some questions for the veterans (I don't have a book yet see!): 1. What would you consider the five "must have" beans, based on ease of roasting, and quality of cup, and blending possibilities, for a beginner to aquire? 2. Best way to store the beans. 3. How long can you store the beans, relating to quantities? Janlab
Hi Janlab, Always in my cupboard: Peru Ceja De Selva Estate: it is easy to roast, tastes good at a variety of roast profiles and works well for most styles of coffee, from espresso to plunger. And storage; anywhere dry, dark, cool and airy. Our stocks are in calico bags in an often opened pantry cupboard. L
Hi JanLab 1. Brazil Dattera Estate, Columbian Bachue, PNG Kimmel, Ethiopian Yirg or Sidiamo and Sumatran Kuda Mas. All great as distinctive single origins and great blenders also. A great sponsor with free shipping on orders over $50: http://www.beangreen.com.au/product-list.php?asc_action=Paginator_SetRowsPerPage&pgname=Catalog_ProdsList_8&rows=64 2. In a dry dark place in a sealed container (contentious issue) 3. Give or take three years. 4. It's a slippery slope as you can tell by som of he lists. I tend to keep smaller amounts and use great services like BeanGreen more frequently. Especially as the storage, variety and shipping is free.
Welcome Janlab! I'm vey glad to see you here Enjoy this great and relaxed forum.
Hello and welcome J. As you may guess, opinions vary, so here's my suggestion. Different people appreciate different flavours in their coffee, so you should get a variety of beans and play around to choose what suits you. Also, over time our tastes change, or we may just be in the mood for a different style of coffee. Always good to keep a Brazilian in the stash, I usually have a PNG, a Sumatran and at least one Indian (elk hill or tiger mountain are good. I tend to favour central american beans, but have thoroughly enjoyed a Kenyan peaberry and a Rwandan of late. Bean green are worth a look. Grab a kilo of several varieties so you can try a wide selection and then order more of beans you really like. Plenty other places do sell by the kilo, but the wide selection and free shipping work for me. Also, some roasters will sell a milli or two greens if you ask nicely. Storage? Common sense I reckon, no wide variation of temperature. If humidity is an issue, use sealed containers. I think three years is the maximum. One year is fine, two OK. They do change slightly as they age, but not to the extent of roasted beans
Thanks all, Stuff as good as ordered. Meanwhile I've also checked the local roastery again. Very friendly, and led me into the mystique of grinding...Two minutes leftfor this, but then three right for that! I'm slightly worried. My old kitchen shop grinder died in the move. And there were already a number of "from Jan, with best wishes, to Jan" presents this year. So where does one start? Any suggestions? Jan
Thanks all, Stuff as good as ordered. Meanwhile I've also checked the local roastery again. Very friendly, and led me into the mystique of grinding...Two minutes leftfor this, but then three right for that! I'm slightly worried. My old kitchen shop grinder died in the move. And there were already a number of "from Jan, with best wishes, to Jan" presents this year. So where does one start? Any suggestions? Jan
Best Cafes has a grinder mash-up for your reading pleasure and then why not start a thread. It's been a while since we've got to bash the K3 or the 'smart' grinder >:D :P Stay on topic people!! :angel:
Oh man! I got the GAD too! Guatemala Antigua 20 lbs Panama Boquete 3 lbs Ethipian Yirgacheffe 8 lbs Ethiopian Limu 1 lb Ethiopian Sidamo 1 lb Costa Rica Tarrazu 6 lbs Sweet Yellow Brazil 5 lbs Sumatra Mandheling 8 lbs Nicaragua Cafe Diego 9 lbs Other various < 1 lb (Harrar, Kenya, etc.) I save the less than a pounds for special occasions. However, there are so many that I am sure there are repeats. Coffee UP my friends, ~Joe
It's been over a year since my last big audit so here it is: Brasil Fazenda Serra e Leite 1500 Ethiopia Guna Limmu 3000 Ethiopia Harrar Longberry 2010 1500 Ethiopia Sidomo Gudji 1750 Ethiopian Yirgacheffe Grade 2 Washed 2000 Haiti Grand Cru 2250 Java Ijen Sundried 500 Malawi Nyika Peaberry 1000 Nepal Plantec Estate 2500 Peru Grace Estate 2000 Uganda Masaba AA 1750 Yemen Al-Hajj Boa'an 2250 Yemen Bani Ismail 4000 Yemen Sanaani Mocha 2750 Total 28.75kg, much more reasonble I'm sure! :rofl: Over the last year I've only bought about 8kg from Bean Green, some Sumatra Mandheling Kuda Mas, Yirgacheffe, Peru Grace Estate and the Brasilian Fazenda. I may consider another buy when I get it down to 10kg now. I'm still enjoying the Yemen Bani Ismail, but the way I'm roasting it at the moment means I'm chasing the grind for most of the batch, but when I nail it - *bliss*
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