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What a differnce a gram makes.

Dry_bean.Dry_bean.
edited January 1970 in Have your say
With all of the talk about rising coffee prices I wondered about trying to squeeze an extra cup or two per kg of beans.
Up to this point I have been using a LaMarzocco ridgeless double basket, 18 grams of my current roast ground to give me 25 to 30ml in 25 to 30 seconds.
Decided to drop back to 17 grams, grind a tad finer for a similar result that I described above, to be fair I thought I would run the test over a few days.
The result? Mrs DB could detect no difference in her evening cappa, my drinks of choice, AM = long black, PM = short black, could I detect a difference? you bet I could, less body, less flavour and less crema, much prefer the 18 gram shots.
As a matter of interest 1 gram of my current roast (Yirg) equals approx 8 beans, who would have thought 8 beans could have made such a difference.
So, this is one economy measure I won't be adopting. :)
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  • DoubleRistrettoDoubleRistretto
    interesting one DB - firstly I'd never thought to work out how many beans a gram comes to... but with the price of good beans continually on the way up, maybe things like this will come into play for those in the industry??  :o
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  • Dry_bean.Dry_bean.
    on 1301484744:
    interesting one DB - firstly I'd never thought to work out how many beans a gram comes to... but with the price of good beans continually on the way up, maybe things like this will come into play for those in the industry??  :o
    Nescafe ran a TV ad many years ago (about 40 I think) boasting 43 beans in every cup, works out to a little over 5 grams per cup. ::)
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  • Koffee_KosmoKoffee_Kosmo
    I actually tested this out in 2008 My results were Its 43 beans for a 7 grams single shot In most cases it was 6.2 to 7 grams When Nescafe say 43 beans in every cup its is pretty close to a 7 gram single shot KK
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  • Dry_bean.Dry_bean.
    on 1301488782:
    I actually tested this out in 2008 My results were Its 43 beans for a 7 grams single shot In most cases it was 6.2 to 7 grams When Nescafe say 43 beans in every cup its is pretty close to a 7 gram single shot KK
    Evening KK, hows the health going now? Tried it today with a freshly roasted batch of Yirg, weighed 10 different batches for an average of 5.08 grams, obviously larger beans will weigh heavier and smaller (like some beans from the Yemen) doubt there are many of these in Nescafe, will weigh quite a bit lighter. If you think about it 43 beans regardless of weight in an 8oz breakfast cup makes for a pretty weak brew. Oh dear, here we go again, why is nothing about coffee ever straight forward. ::)
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  • Koffee_KosmoKoffee_Kosmo
    on 1301490180:
    Evening KK, hows the health going now? Tried it today with a freshly roasted batch of Yirg, weighed 10 different batches for an average of 5.08 grams, obviously larger beans will weigh heavier and smaller (like some beans from the Yemen) doubt there are many of these in Nescafe, will weigh quite a bit lighter. If you think about it 43 beans regardless of weight in an 8oz breakfast cup makes for a pretty weak brew. Oh dear, here we go again, why is nothing about coffee ever straight forward. ::)
    Health is OK However not back to work yet I think I used Brazilian beans for my test as I thought that Nescafe would use these K
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  • Dry_bean.Dry_bean.
    on 1301476772:
    Up to this point I have been using a LaMarzocco ridgeless double basket, 18 grams of my current roast ground to give me 25 to 30ml in 25 to 30 seconds. Decided to drop back to 17 grams, grind a tad finer for a similar result that I described above, to be fair I thought I would run the test over a few days.
    Back to the original question, would be interested in the experiences of others in this area. :)
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  • Unknown
    At the risk of being ridiculed........ As I said in another thread, if you pic a parameter......Let us, for arguments sake, say 27 seconds  ;). You can quite precicely adjust your weight/grind combo to fit within the 27 (thereabouts) second parameter. I will say with all confidence that it wont taste the same as you decrease weight/grind size to adhear to the parameter, but essentially you will attain a somewhat similar, not too far from what you may have started with taste. And please dont attack me till you've actually attempted this method. Frankly I'm getting bored of it. Sorry for the serious end
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  • Dry_bean.Dry_bean.
    on 1301714784:
    At the risk of being ridiculed........ As I said in another thread, if you pic a parameter......Let us, for arguments sake, say 27 seconds  ;). You can quite precicely adjust your weight/grind combo to fit within the 27 (thereabouts) second parameter. I will say with all confidence that it wont taste the same as you decrease weight/grind size to adhear to the parameter, but essentially you will attain a somewhat similar, not too far from what you may have started with taste. And please dont attack me till you've actually attempted this method. Frankly I'm getting bored of it. Sorry for the serious end
    I think we all understand what your trying to convey Flushed, pretty basic stuff. Why do you feel anyone would "attack" you this is the civilised forum ;) What I said in my OP was I was surprised that once I have grind/dose as I want them it's surprising how much difference to taste/mouth feel removing 1 gram will make. :)
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  • Unknown
    basic yes...but easily forgotten. Especially when applying distribution techniques and temp/pressure riding. Changing head temp and tamping weight. So yes basic, but requires that all other elements stay mostly the same. But that is only based on grind/weight changing. I guess you could attempt lowering the head heat as you decrease your gring/weight, so as to apply less pressure on the puck. Next level enough???
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  • askthecoffeeguyaskthecoffeeguy
    Hi Flushed, I've take the liberty of removing your flame at another forum member as it does nothing to add to the discussion Just a reminder that this is a coffee discussion forum, not a finger pointing forum - if you wish to let unsubstantiated accusations fly there are plenty of other avenues suitable for this kind of discourse Keep it nice folks, P
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